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Salutos[edit source]

Salutos. Me sal bald adi Babel shablones por afrikaans e fransum por vun Babel boxe.

Welcome. I shall soon add Babel templates for Afrikaans and French for your Babel box.

Nov ialiste 15:59, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Nus devud konsidera quu es li maxim bon novial vordes signifikant "Afrikaans" e "Afrikaaner".

We should consider what are the best Novial words for "Afrikaans" and "Afrikaner".

Nov ialiste 16:59, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Nomes de landes[edit source]

Hi Wayne,

nice to see you have started on the African countries. When I listed all the European countries I wanted to see how many were not in Novial Lxike (1930) and needed new names and to think how best they might be in Novial. Some cannot easily be Novialized and are probably best left unchaged, like Guernsey and Liechtenstein.

NL, the dictionary, doesn't have many African countries, but the countries in Novial provide a guide as to the style of Novial names. One which is in NL is Egypt which is "Egiptia". The person is "egipte" (an Egyptian) and the adjective "egipti". I'll look over the African names to see if I can help. I notice South Afica which you correctly translated as "Sudi Afrika" is not really distinguished from "Sud(i) Afrika", i.e. Southern Africa. A bit tricky that one. Anyway let's see. Nov ialiste 19:54, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Afrikaans[edit source]

Hi, I notice you used the root "afrikans-" for Afrikaans. Note that languages derived directly from an adjective end in -um like "anglum, fransum" etc. So for Afrikaans we could have:

Adjective: afrikans(i)

Language: afrikansum (= afrikans(i) lingue)

Person: afrikanse

which is nice and regular Novial and doesn't sound bad to me. 22:03, 30 desembre 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Before I change all. "Afrikaans" is a bit of a tough one. It means "african" in Afrikaans - "-s" being one of the Afrikaans adjectival endings. All other languages have adopted it as is, so as not to confuse it with the regular meaning of "african". So instead of using "Afrikaans" I just regularised the spelling to "Afrikans" (which incidentally sounds exactly like the original).
As an aside I'm not too clear as to when one adopts a proper noun as is.
On english, you havent't corrected me on that one. Should I list the language as "anglum". What about others? For example: "north sotho" is more correctly called "pedi" and in pedi itself is "sepedi". "south sotho" is more correctly "sotho" or in its own language "sesetho". Ditto "zulu" in zulu is "isiZulu". The prefixes are a bit like articles so are often omitted in english. For example, "Botswana" roughly means "place where the tswana live", their language is called "setswana" (tswana in english), the people are called "batswana" etc.
We should probably retain the english forms modified a bit to regularise the spelling. So Tswana, Venda, Tsonga, Pedi, Swazi, Zulu stay as is (and pronounce very well compared to the original). Sotho is problematic. The "h" indicates a hard "t", not the same as in english or novial. Phonetically "Sutu" would be closest, but "Soto" may be more recognizable. What do you think? Xhosa I want to change to Kosa as that's as close as you are going to get to the correct pronounciation (Koza is the actual english pronounciation, but the s is closer to the original). (X and XH are clicking sounds that are universally mispronounced (by non Zulu/Xhosa etc.) as K). Or should they all be "-um" Help! --Wayne 14:55, 31 desembre 2006 (UTC)
Proper nouns are tricky to decide. If a form is familiar to the basis languages, i.e. major Romance and Germanic languages a form like that (Novialized if necessary) should be good. With "Sotho" the problem is sound versus look, as with English etc. "Lesotho" has always intrigued me. I would go for sound: Sutu - would you prefer people to pronounce it funny or write it funny? this is basically what it comes down to. Kosa sounds good.
For languages, if a sensible, regular Novial form is reasonable that is probably best. The languages in NL are regular: anglum, fransum, italianum, latinum, chinum, etc. Afrikansum is fine. On your new pages I had already changed the language names. Nov ialiste 15:10, 31 desembre 2006 (UTC)

Novial at Wikiversity[edit source]

Just in case you're interested, a Department of Novial has started at Wikiversity: [1] Nov ialiste 00:57, 31 desembre 2006 (UTC)

Great - I'll register as the first student :-) The main school page http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/School:Language_and_Literature doesn't seem to list it? --Wayne 15:04, 31 desembre 2006 (UTC)
There's a link to foreign languages and learning on the right: [2]. Novial is listed their under constructed languages. Nov ialiste 15:13, 31 desembre 2006 (UTC)

Cape/headland[edit source]

NL gives "kabe" as meaning "cape, headland". One question is whether you want to translate the province names or leave them in a local language. One danger of translating is that more synonyms will arise, e.g. there might well be other "Western Capes" around the world. I'm inclined to use forms from a local language.Nov ialiste 21:05, 31 desembre 2006 (UTC)

The main problem is that Cape in Western Cape already has 3 "local" forms: Cape (en), Kaap (afrikaans) and Koloni (xhosa). Choosing the english would be bias. Since its translated locally I thought I should continue (will change to "kabe" though). Ditto for Liberi State etc. --Wayne 10:40, 1 januare 2007 (UTC)
My thought is on something like that it should be translated. Wayne's remark that each of 3 languages uses a form in its own language is the deciding factor. It's analogous to the fact that in English we do not translate "Los Angeles" -- so that would be the Novial name as well -- but the Spanish translate the "New" part of "New York", so we should too. In other words, my rule is that if the form is used internationally, especially in languages other than the original, then we should use the international form, while if it tends to get translated into other languages, we should translate too. (And yes, I know that Russian transliterates, rather than translates, the "New" of "New York," but I would say that if some major languages translate, we should too. -- BRG 19:56, 11 januare 2007 (UTC)

Names of African Countries[edit source]

Hi,

I've started making a navigational template for African Countries.

Template:Landes_de_Afrika

On the Africa page I noticed a link "Botvana" goes to a page "Botswana". If we decide on the preferred forms for the country (page) names, then other possible names can be made as redirects. Keep up the good work. Nov ialiste 01:47, 9 januare 2007 (UTC)

Any reason why you didn't just change Template:Afrika? Wayne --193.134.170.35 17:11, 9 januare 2007 (UTC)
I forgot about the existing template. The template for European countries is called "Landes de Europa". Should we make them consistent and call this "Landes de Afrika"? I updated the template with reference to the one at English Wikipedia.Nov ialiste 00:55, 10 januare 2007 (UTC)
No problem - I used "Afrika" as many of the Europe pages had reference to Template:Europa. You'll need to change that one too. --Wayne 20:43, 10 januare 2007 (UTC)
OK, I'll change it to "Landes de Afrika". Other templates might be "Geografia de Afrika" and so on. Nov ialiste 23:57, 10 januare 2007 (UTC)
So, use "Landes de Afrika". I'll delete the other one later when your sure that's okay. Do you want "Swazilande" instead of "Swaziland"? The former conforms better with the other countries ending in -lande, but I don't see it as crucial. Nov ialiste 00:10, 11 januare 2007 (UTC)
Should be OK now. Ran the bot to change the lot. So you can delete Template:Afrika. --Wayne 19:12, 12 januare 2007 (UTC)

"Bantual"[edit source]

Sorry to take so long to get back; I've been busy on other Wikis I do and didn't see your message till now. I think "bantui" better than "banti" but I agree that "bantual" is probably not the best. --BRG 20:11, 20 aprile 2007 (UTC)


Nov ialiste[edit source]

Looks as though he's been away from this Wiki since Feb. 1. I can sympathize; I'm working on 4 or 5 other Wikis and can't devote as much time to any of them as I'd like! -- BRG 18:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I'm back. Was off the net for a few months! Nice to see that Wayne is a Sysop now and that you guys have been looking after things. Nov ialiste 17:40, 18 oktobre 2007 (UTC)

Sysop privileges[edit source]

Is there anything you need done but can't because you don't have sysop privileges? I think you're seriously enough interested in this that if you want them I can give you them. But except for deleting pages or punishing vandals, there isn't much you really need sysop privileges for. -- BRG 21:08, 7 maye 2007 (UTC)

Turns out that in order to give you sysop privileges I need to gain "bureaucrat" privileges myself. And in order to do that, I'll need to hold an election -- weird, since there are so few active users! I've inquired as to how to run the election, but I hope that you'll vote, as that's the only way I can get the rights I need to upgrade you! -- BRG 14:58, 18 maye 2007 (UTC)
They've said that rather than give me bureaucrat privileges, they think (since it's such a small group) that I should just propose you for admin on here, hold an election on that, and then a steward will give you privileges if it flies. (see [3]) So that is what we will do; please vote for yourself on Wikipedia:Petitiones pri administrativi privilegies and see if anyone else will take the trouble to do so. -- BRG 18:48, 22 maye 2007 (UTC)
OK. They seem to have lost the request; I reminded them today and you should now have sysop/admin privileges. -- BRG 20:48, 9 june 2007 (UTC)

Bot marking[edit source]

You ask "is there any reason you haven't marked the regular bots as bots?" I don't run the bots; they are run by other people and I don't have anything to do with them. If the bots aren't being marked as bots, I would assume that's the fault of the bot owners. -- BRG 15:02, 18 maye 2007 (UTC)

"Log"[edit source]

I really had a lot of trouble coming up with a word. "Registra" seemed appropriate for me because the meanings in NL for "registre" are "account" and "record." "Relata" isn't even in the NL: it does have a verb "relate" but the meaning doesn't seem right: it means "relate to." "Signata"? That may be closer. Though, since that means (e. g.) "subscribe," I think that would mean "sign up" more that "sign in." -- BRG 19:20, 12 auguste 2007 (UTC)

PipepBot[edit source]

Hello wayne, my bot PipepBot uses m:Pywikipediabot. I suggest that you contact the developer of Wikipediabot to suggest the translations to novial, see m:Talk:Using_the_python_wikipediabot for contacts. Pipep 18:14, 17 auguste 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it will help very much if I change something in my interwiki.py. Interwiki.py is updated very often. If I change something, after the next update the changes will be lost. If you submit your suggestions to the developer, the changes will be persistent and everybody using interwiki.py will benefit from the changes. Pipep 19:16, 17 auguste 2007 (UTC)

Novial[edit source]

Salut, Pourriez vous svp ajouter:

'nov': (u'robote ', u'Adad', u'Ekartad', u'Modifikad')

de votre interwiki.py scripte (circa linie 270).

Merci, --Uxejn 17 août 2007 à 21:24 (CEST) ou Wayne de Novial wiki

C'est fait. Voir nl:Overleg_gebruiker:Andre_Engels#Novial.

Vargenau 18:05, 2 septembre 2007 (UTC)

How to translate "Register/Log in" etc.[edit source]

Hi, I've created a new page with a table listing the terms from the other Wikipedias. We can discuss this there: Novi vordes/Login Nov ialiste 19:07, 20 novembre 2007 (UTC)


salutos Wayne[edit source]

Salutos Wayne! How are things? I am wondering if you could help me translate a very short stub version of 1 or 2 sentences of this article for the Novial wikipedia? Thank you very much for any help you could provide. I hope to hear from you. Regards, NoviaLiani 07:16, 25 januare 2008 (UTC)

Dankon, Wayne! I very much appreciate your help. I also am interested in Mathematics. What areas are you most interested or focused on? Yours, NoviaLiani 20:54, 26 januare 2008 (UTC)

I'm probably largely an applied mathematician (anathema to some I know) - but fitting real world problems to math interests me the most. As an actuary I'm probably also a working mathematican in a sense. Yours? --Wayne 16:51, 27 januare 2008 (UTC)
That's great! Applied math should be anathema to no one, we couldn't live as we live without it! I'm interested in chaos theory; there's not too many girls in that field, but it's ok :)
What areas of applied math are you most interested in? Wayne, it occurs to me that there's no translation to Afrikaans about PR or the article about the party that you translated. Whenever you had time, it would be great if you could help me with that. Nevertheless, if you're too busy, I pefectly understand. Also, if you need help with any other w'pedia I could help with, I would be more than happy to help.
Talk to you soon, Wayne ;) NoviaLiani 23:54, 27 januare 2008 (UTC)
Thank you profoundly from the bottom of my heart! I really am so happy for your help. In appreciation, NoviaLiani 06:23, 31 januare 2008 (UTC)

Thanks[edit source]

Thanks Wayne for your help! --Crealgenv 16:18, 1 marte 2008 (UTC)

What's new? Thanks for the Novi Vordes, but some words isn't in the list. Regards --Crealgenv 14:52, 6 marte 2008 (UTC)

Kurów[edit source]

Thank you for your stub about Kurów. Pietras1988 TALK 08:21, 5 june 2008 (UTC)

Your administrator status on the Novial Wikipedia[edit source]

Hello. A policy regarding the removal of "advanced rights" (administrator, bureaucrat, etc.) was adopted by community consensus in 2013. According to this policy, the stewards are reviewing activity on wikis with no inactivity policy.

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What to do[edit source]

I don't have a good idea. I have little enough time to work on the other Wikis I'm involved with, and it really looks as though nobody is doing much on this Wiki. Like you, I don't want to see it die, but I can't tell who might want to do what is necessary to make it active again. -- BRG (talk) 00:44, 12 februare 2015 (UTC)